Had Jonathan won the March 28
presidential election, he would have been among one of the South- South
leaders to be victimized. He knows and confesses it. According to him, he gave
everything to make sure his party’s (All Progressives Congress, APC) presidential
candidate, General Muhammadu Buhari, win the election.
His reason was not only about personal safety. It was also based on
Buhari’s competence and merit rather than ethnicity and primordial sentiments.
In this exclusive interview, Comrade Adams Oshiomhole, Governor of Edo State,
who expressed happiness on Buhari’s polls victory said with the development, he
and Governor of Rivers State, Rt. Hon. Chibuike Ameachi, escaped “death” by the
whiskers.
Well, I will say mixed feelings. On
one hand, I think in terms of the overall assessment, it would be fair to say
there was substantial improvement when you compare 2015 to 2011. And 2011 was
also a lot better than the elections conducted by Professor Iwu. So,one
can speak of steady improvement. But I think there were avoidable lapses which
INEC cannot justify. One of them is the failure of the card reader. If you were
going to use the card reader nationwide, you ought to convince
yourself that the card would work everywhere or at least up to 95%.
At worst, you allow for margin of
error of 10%. But when your margin of error is almost 50-60%, that is
clearly unacceptable and what it meant is that whereas in some areas the card
reader was used, in some other areas it was not. Number two, it seems to me
there was internal sabotage within INEC system particularly those
responsible for their ICT. I have always made this point that the weakest
department in INEC is the ICT. That is where all the frauds are
perpetrated. Whether you are talking of multiple registration or names being
suddenly deleted from the voters register or you talk of mutilation of the
voters register where names in one ward appear in another ward; all of these
have come from INEC ICT department.
And I believe they are not
errors of the head. They are programmed that way. In my last conversation
with INEC during my election in 2012, I made a point that there were
deliberate attempts by some elements including the head of the ICT in
INEC to manipulate the voters register and, unfortunately, the man
has remained there. And all the headaches of INEC, I believe,
talking of ICT, they should be the ones responsible for card
reading. All those are modern gadgets.
For example, how can you explain to
me that the card reader worked in most parts of the South-West and the
North; but they simply refused to work in the South-East and most parts
of the South-South? They were programmed to fail by those who
wanted to use manual so that they can turn in the magical figures that we
saw in Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Cross Rivers and even Delta. And, to me,
that is a shame.
But worrisome, to me, is the culture
of impunity in INEC where senior people apparently conspired to make
things fail and they just keep their job as if Nigeria owes them a job.
If people are hopelessly incompetent
as to mess up such a huge effort in spite of the huge tax payers money spent to
procure these facilities, somebody should be packing home or
somebody should be chatting with the police. I mean INEC is supposed to
prosecute election offenders. And, to me, the person who is
responsible for not activating the cards on time, who did not properly
explain that you need to remove the SIM card or whatever it is that
explains the failure, those people have no job to be kept at INEC. And
until we begin to apply the rules, this culture of impunity will not take us
anywhere. So, huge resources were employed but very
little benefits.
Look at all the noise generated on the
issue of the card reader, it would appear that, at the end of the day, those
who wanted to use it, used it. Those who didn’t want to use it simply
claimed that it failed and I am not aware that anybody has been
queried. And I insist that INEC must look inward and deal with
those responsible for this sabotage within the INEC system.
You belong to the APC and finally
that party is on board, with the victory of General Muhammadu Buhari as
president-elect. As a leader of the party, how do you feel about
the victory at the polls?
I think there are several lessons from
it. First, this is victory for Nigeria. It is not about APC or PDP.
It is the first time in our history that very ordinary people, equipped
only with the PVCs, were able to unseat a president.
That, to me, is profound. It
confirms that our democracy is on and for those who thought that this PVC
is just ordinary plastic, they have seen that it is more potent than
the military sub-machine. That it led to the APC becoming the governing party
is not the big issue.
The big issue is that the ordinary
people voted out a sitting president whose performance they believed was
unacceptable. That is something to be celebrated. The second is
that one has to appreciate the President GoodluckJonathan for
conceding defeat in the manner that he did, thereby laying a good example which
has been copied by few other governors. I have heard one or two other
governors also conceding defeat, having taking a cue from the president.
So obviously this is very positive.
But for those of us in APC, it
has shown that people think that the only way to be politically relevant
is to be in the ruling party. I have been in the opposition in Edo from ground
zero. We joined APC and at that time it was AC, only in Lagos and
Edo was the second state. And from those two states, we got three, we got four
and as Governor Fashola would say, ‘we just kept on
counting’. And with the merger, we have now become the national governing
party, as our leader and the president-elect said we should now say as
opposed to a ruling party. So to be part of these forces of change from
ground zero, to become a ruling party with all the risks, particularly
for those of us in the South-South because somehow President
Jonathan believed that this election should be about tribalism. It should
be about where you come from. But some of us insisted that
it is not about where you come from. It is about your level of
competence and your capacity to deliver.
And after four years, you must run not
on sentiments but on your verifiable records. And that is how democracies
develop. If my brother cannot do it, and my uncle cannot do
it, and it is someone from another territory who can do it, why
not? After all, when you look at the behaviour of a Nigerian,
our people migrate from Nigeria even to Ghana now. I have seen a Nigerian
business man who chose to locate his business in Ghana even though his market
is Nigeria. Why? It is because the cost of production and the overall
environment is much better in Ghana than here in Nigeria according
to his estimation. So notwithstanding his patriotism, the fact that he is
a full blown Nigerian, it makes economic sense for him to do his business in
Ghana and market his products in Nigeria.
So, the modern world has very little
space for ethnic politics. In any case, who are we celebrating
Obama whose father is a full blown Kenya being elected by white Americans
to preside over the world’s greatest economy thereby making him the world’s
most powerful president. And we celebrate him and then we come back home to say
because Jonathan is South-South, even though he has failed us in
many ways including the under development of the South-South, that
based on the issue of blood and region, we should vote for him.
So that means that for me,
for Rotimi (Amaechi, Rivers governor) and in particular the two of
us from the South-South, if President Jonathan has survived, obviously
he would have deployed and misuse his powers. And you can see how
crude the military was deployed to Edo to intimidate people.
So, to be able to survive that, I do not have the words to describe how I
feel. To put it mildly, I am very excited that my party was victorious.
The result of the presidential
election in Edo wasn’t as fantastic as the governorship and Houses of Assembly
elections. What would you say went wrong?
Well, I wouldn’t talk about
anything going wrong. In a genuine democracy, different issues will
influence the voters except where elections are rigged.
But let me first and foremost clarify
this. The official results by INEC show that the president-elect won 280, 000
votes while President Jonathan won 286,000 votes. Which means President
Jonathan won by about 80,000 votes more than Gen. Buhari. Now, that
was an outstanding achievement for Gen. Buhari when you take
into account that just four years ago, President Jonathan won 95% of the
votes.
Now that has crashed to 55%. Now
look at this, the total number of voided votes in the presidential
election was about 150,000. Of the 150,000, about 140,000 were APC votes
because you could see that the thumbprint crossed the little line to the next
party. So, it is clear. You will find that that party didn’t field any
candidate. So obviously the voter didn’t want to vote for a candidate that does
not exist. But because the army and the police
had succeeded in chasing away our agents in many areas, before we could
respond to that, they have already compromised some of the
presiding officers, who were youth corpers, in many cases.
They even fielded PDP activists
as presiding officers. And wherever they were able to get
away with that, the voided vote were clearly in our favour. Now, we have
looked at that and saw that about 140,000 votes of Gen Buhari
were voided through this sort of conspiracy. So if you add these
votes to our 180, 000, you would find out that Buhari
actually defeated President Jonathan in Edo. That, to me, is outstanding.
And when you realise the reckless way
religion was used and you know that Edo is about 90% Christians, it
was an outstanding achievement. And for you to appreciate the
significance of this, you have to compare this result with the rest of
the South-South and the South-East. In those other states, the
president-elect didn’t even get as much as 10% but in Edo, he got
about 45% and when you add the wrongly voided votes, he defeated
President Jonathan in the state.
I am very proud of the outcome
because it shows that Edo, unlike the rest of the South-South and
the South-East, has risen beyond primordial sentiments of ethnicity and
religion. In the state House of Assembly election, I think we have finally
buried the godfathers. And, to me, my mission in politics, I would like
to say, is complete. It doesn’t matter if I leave politics today or I leave the
office, I would feel fulfilled because, when I stepped out in 2007, most people
said to me that Edo was the home of the most feared godfathers.
I was told it was impossible to unseat
them. But I did say then that from my own trade union training, it
was clear that the oppressor will continue to oppress you and he
will seem to be able to get away with it only to the extent
that those oppressed refused to organize and they
continue to agonize. When they stopped agonizing and
they chose to organize against the oppressor, the oppressor
could be defeated. This was my message in Edo that these godfathers were
not invincible, they could be defeated and they will be defeated.
And we used out trade union
skills to mobilize the people because we could talk with the
people, mingle with the people and interact with the people. These guys
you call the godfather talk down on the people. The only tool available
to them is money. Not money that they earn through industry but
money they had accumulated being around the corridors of power. So they
just threw the money at the people and every other thing seemed to fall in
line. We questioned that order. We had to educate the people why
they could take that money and not feel guilty to vote against those who
under developed them over the years.
It was reported that you had
issues with the security operatives during the elections, that they invaded
your community. How did that happen?
It is clear that the military
high command gave out unlawful orders. Some of the military commanders
behaved as if they were officials of the PDP, an army officer removing
his name tag. That was very shameful. I asked the soldier, are you about
to do something dirty such that, at the end of the day when we are trying
to identify who did, it would be an unknown soldier? That was the most
dangerous and desperate thing that this government did, misusing the
armed forces in a way that would have led to serious national security crisis,
because if the armed forces are polarized and become a political tool in
the hand of a commander-in-chief, then, we are in danger. In Edo, I
had to remind the commander that, in this democracy, the
commander-in-chief is not to be elected by brigade commanders or by
general officers commanding. The commander in chief is to be elected by
very ordinary people using their PVC and not AK47, so they must not
interfere with the process.
And when you use the military
the way they did to intimidate people like us, going to do show of force by
harassing people, asking people to frog jump, some soldiers used
horse whip to flog people who were on the queue, trying to manipulate
collation centres, that is criminal. I thought that we can play
politics with everything but we must never play politics with our
security agencies. A soldier, an officer removing his name tag and I
asked why he had to remove name tag in my village, he said they were
asked not to wear name tag. Who gave such an order?
Now there was a restriction
order and, even as the governor of Edo, I stayed in my village. I didn’t even
move to the polling booth with armed personnel in line with the Electoral Act.
But there was this higly placed who had escorts of military and police
moving from one local government to another, sharing money in broad
day light, I was ashamed of my brother. He is my brother, but I was ashamed
of him because it is not worth it because, as you can see, after all of
that effort, the government has changed. People should learn, what would
be would be. Two days to the elections or so, they deployed soldiers to
my house in the village and put them right in front of my house. And that is
not all they did. They were everywhere harassing the villages and
so on.
They also sent a drone to fly
over my house in the village just to intimidate me. But, unfortunately
for them, I conquered fear at the age of 17. If you harass me now, I am
at my best because I learnt early in life. And I told my
brigade commander, when we were under full blown military rule, we organized
protests and challenged the military government, full blown military government
with the power of Decree 2, we fought not to talk of in democracy.
We all need to be careful because like
I tell our people in uniform, the reason the soldier has power is not
because he has gun but because he has license under the law
to bear that weapon. When the rule of law collapses and everybody resorts to
fire arms, you will be shocked that there are bloody
civilians who can fire the weapon more than those in uniform. I
think it is important going forward that no future president
should ever be tempted to try to misuse the armed forces to protect his
political office, it is extremely dangerous.
And like I told those people, the
world has changed very radically such that if a president is so strong as to
overwhelm the judicial system in his country and people kill on his order or
kill on his behalf, if you escape justice at home, you cannot escape ICC.
And I believe that as we have seen in some parts of Africa where sitting
presidents are going to ICC to answer criminal charges. But in the end, I thank
God that the president found courage and defied those hawks around him that
would say ‘don’t hand overs. I think that final courage to accept
and concede defeat and congratulate the winner, in many ways, has earned
him a lot of mileage even in my heart in spite of this clear
attempt to misuse the armed forces.
The elections have been won and
lost. What agenda, I mean the
critical
areas, do you want the president-elect to get into as soon as he is sworn
in on May 29?
When I met the president-elect after
he was formally declared the winner, I said to him ‘congratulations
because this was victory that cannot be said to have come easy when you
realise that this was the fourth attempt’.
For a former military head of state to
subject himself to the rigours of electioneering, some
political mischief, some betrayal, falsehood, campaign of hate and calumny and
yet forged ahead and, in the end, won convincingly, I think for many younger
people, there is a lot to learn.
That you don’t give up simply
because that you failed your first test does not mean you can
still not make it. And having congratulated him for a richly deserved victory,
I also commiserate with him because Gen. Buhari’s strongest
support base is the army of the forgotten majority, the unemployed,
the under remunerated and the mass of the people. They rightly
would expect that now that the man that we celebrate has won election,
they expect that this may rightly translate to prosperity for everyone.
And they have a right to feel so
having been dehumanized over the years under the military but much more
so since 1999. And having stood by the man consistently over the years,
they have the right to feel that having now won, the good days are
here. Yet we know in fact that PDP battered this economy
beyond what people would appreciate because what the Minister of Finance
has been doing is playing with statistics in a very dangerous
way as to give the false impression that the situation is not as
bad as it is.
I am sure in the very near future, all
the figures and all the numbers will be out: how much this government has
borrowed, the structure of that expenditure and what they
used the borrowed money to do. People would be shocked that PDP
government borrowed money not to do projects, they borrowed to travel.
They borrowed for frivolities
and when the overall debt profile both the domestic and foreign debts is
published and the time scale is attached to it and the amount of money that has
been spent from the CBN that I am not sure they can account for, people
would appreciate how bad the economic situation is. And I think the
first challenge of Gen. Buhari is to halt the drift and as
you can see the business community has already reposed confidence
in the person of the general in the way the Naira has already
appreciated. The is a fact that people believe the worst days are over.
We are now going to have a president that cares; a president that will
ensure that the era of impunity is gone; a president that will block all
the loopholes and stop the stealing of either of our excess crude or just
borrowing money for people to privatize.
But I will expect the president
to tell Nigerians the hard truth about the state of the economy and of
our national finances. He has to work hard first to halt the drift.
He has to work hard to stop the bleeding. If the right instruments
are in place, you will soon begin to witness some improvement in
the economy growth. But growth that is not just for the statisticians, growth
that would be expressed in the quality of life of the people. That means
the policy instruments must be designed in such a way as to lead to a job
led growth not jobless growth. If it is not job led, then the
fruit of growth will not translate to the prosperity for the majority,
particularly the masses. They are the ones responsible for Buhari
election. It is not those who watch CNN and BCC, it is the ordinary
person. And the entry point of that ordinary person is jobs, good
paying jobs. I think the second one is to examine what I call
symbolic projects that this government seems to celebrate.
Symbolic projects? What are the
projects?
SURE-P for example. What is SURE-P?
You take state funds, you give to a politician for example in Edo
and then you identify some loyalists, you put them on N10,000 and you pay them
when you are happy with them. If you decamp, they delete you. They
now call it Jonathan
Alert, which is not how you want to create jobs. And
that is trivializing serious issues and it shocks me that the
Minister of Finance is part of this grand deceit. What is SURE-P? You
just create pet names. I mean we have to go to the heart of the matter.
First, we must aggressively find
solution to the problem of power supply. I would expect the president to
revisit the sharing of national assets particularly power. This DISCO
that was given to people who know next to nothing so
that today across the country, Nigerians are in the dark; if you do
not address that, you cannot create a productive economy on the
basis of generators and so you need to deal with power.
Once you’ve dealt with power, then you
begin to put the right incentives in place to revive and re-attract those
industries that were here before that have since voted with their feet. I
have in mind the textile industry. Given our population and our per
capital consumption of fabrics, the textile industry can easily generate
about five million jobs. There is no reason we cannot. When one man
wears about 10 meters of Babanriga, whether in the North or in the
West, with that level of consumption, you have appropriate
incentives, the textile industry can produce so much and employ so many hands.
These are permanent well paying jobs, this is the industry that I
come from.
You want to ask yourself, if we have
these numbers of vehicles on the road, why should we be importing
tyres? We don’t need to reinvent the wheels. Why did Michelin relocate?
Why did Dunlop relocate? Michelin had a plant in Edo where they produced
rubber. Now the rubber is processed and exported without adding value to
them to produce tyres that are sent back to us. We have a
huge market, what do you do to bring them back? Central to anything you
are going to do is power.
You must reorganize your
Customs so that your tariff policies are enforced. You must
interrogate and select Minister of Finance and Minister of Trade,
who will not be granting the kind of waivers that Minister
Okonjo-Iweala and the Minister of Trade have been doing where billions of
Naira are lost to very dubious waivers that they have granted at the
expense of the health of our economy. There are a
couple of things you need to do, but my point is that we mustn’t indulge
in what I call symbolism when we will deal with serious issues of
production so that you shift the country away from what it doesn’t
produce to one that consumes what it produces, from import-led to export
led. These are possible. These are things that others have done and we
don’t need to reinvent the wheel.
And with our huge domestic market
and a very young energetic population, there is no reason
Nigeria cannot be a producing nation. It remains scandalous that PDP, for
16years, could not directly build a new refinery or service the
existing, remaining refineries. And it would be nice to expose to
the public how many billions of Naira that NNPC and the Minster of
Petroleum Resources have spent in the name of maintaining these
refineries. How can Nigeria continue to import kerosene and defraud
the tax payers? Those are things Buhari must check
immediately. Just blocking those loopholes, there will be enough to deal with
some of the basic needs of the ordinary Nigerian.
Corruption is so endemic in
Nigeria, they say. And many people see Buhari as the face of anti-corruption. Do you want him to delve into
probing past administrations?
Some minutes ago, I was chatting with
one of our party leaders. I think the scale of corruption in this our
environment does not require probing. What do you want to probe? A former
CBN Governor showed you numbers and, to my embarrassment, the
Coordinating Minister of the Economy was arguing that it was not
40billion but only 10.8billion and then the next thing we heard was
that the government was going to carry out a forensic audit.
And I am like, as the
Minister of the Economy, did you need this kind of revelation. So the auditing
of NNPC is not a natural way of life? Did we need a scandal for us to
audit the books? And when the books were audited, we heard
numbers that ‘oh, it is not 10billion, it is only 2billion,
and some royalties were not paid by NPDC’ and that kind of
stuff. And I saw the electronic media celebrating NNPC
saying that by their standard this was no fraud. You don’t
need to probe these things, they are already there. We need
to see the management letter from the audit company, let everybody know
that the real hard facts are stated in the letter.
What happened to the excess crude, you
don’t need to probe. Just look at the numbers. I heard the minister
saying the thing was distributed to state governors.
‘Alright, Madam Minister, show us how much you distributed
to which government and when, relating to the total accruals
to the excess crude account? Is it true that you took money from
the excess crude account to fund subsidies that were never appropriated by
parliament? Is that a lawful act? If you did, how much?
If you didn’t, how did you fund the
subsidies? What was appropriated for fuel subsidy relative to what
was actually released for fuel subsidy?’So when you say it
is state governors, how much does the Federal Government take from
every dollar on excess crude that was distributed? So just need to show
the numbers and the CBN and the various AGIS can show
how much we have received from excess crude since over the past four
years relative to what is accruing there.
And whether or not it was lawful to take
money from excess crude to fund the so-called subsidy and then the
much talked about subsidy on kerosene. Who gets it? Is it really true
that there was intention to sell kerosene at N50 or it was just a shield
for people. If so, how much has been so diverted? You need probe
to discover this. So, like I told somebody, you don’t need to
probe Maitama to know if there are buildings. You can just see it.
But I think Buhari summarized it in his campaign that if Nigeria doesn’t
kill corruption, corruption will kill Nigeria. Having said
that I trust that he knows what to do.
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